Evolution

 

1884 January first, Karl Elsener openes a buisness.

1891 First contract to deliver Solidier knives to the Swiss Army.

1897 June 12th official registration for the elegant Officiers knife, developed by the founder.

1902 New models that now got woodsaw, scissors, nickelsilver tweezers, toothpick and bail.

1909 Metal inlay cross on red fiber scales.

1923 Stainless steel available.

1931 Crossbow symbol on blades.

1937 Cellidor scales replace fiber.

1939 Crossbow emblem replaced with cross.

1942 New screwdriver with cap opener.

1946 New patented can opener(used today by Wenger)

1951 New improved can opener  with small screwdriver tip, aluminium dividers replace nickelsilver.New flat screwdriver with cap opener and cable stripper/bender.

1951 Flat screwdriver with cap opener change side.

1952 Square Phillips screwdriver in the corkscrew place, long nailfile with cleaner, metal saw, fish shell scraper and hook disgorger.

1957 Tweezer with aluminium head/holder.

1961 New reamer awl with cutting edge, hidden rivets.

1968 Bail get officially replaced with keyring.

1973 Magnifier and phillips screwdriver, small blade without clip.

1978  Tweezer get plastic head/holder

1980 Inlay made of stainless and not nickelsilver, round phillips(up until this date its been forged)

1982 Combination tool on 84mm knives.

1983 Patented mini screwdriver.

1985 ball point pen, fine screwdriver, chisel, reamer with sewing eye. Flat screwdriver with cap opener can be used from 90 degrees.

1986 Plier with wire cutters and combination tool on 91mm knives.

1987 Camoflage scales

1990 Swiss Watch in the scale

1991 Multi purpose hook and needle, corkscrew replaced with solid model.

1991 Key ring attached on spring.

1992 Golfer blade, solid round phillips.

1994 Matt nylon scales. Corkscrew without decoration groove.

1995 Cable crimper tool on plier.

1998 Carl Elsener and Giaritta Franco inventors of CyberTool.

1999 Bit key and holder

1999 Translucent scales.

1999 3 month modified keyring attachment on spring, improved 90 degree flat screwdriver with notch to prevent accidental closing.

2000 Altimeter electronics, long files removed from catalogues.

2000 New attaching for keyring on spring or modified for todays modern.

2001 Voyager, small tweezer and new scales.

2002 Patent application show LED module.

2003 Glowing scales, last year for tweezer with metal holder.

2004 New plastic magnifier.

2005 Travel electronics, metal file made of stainless. new blade stampings.

2008 New Soldier knife- 111mm with two component scales. Improved blade and locking mechanism.

2010 New Soldier knife for the Dutch army. Special function beltcutter with lock. Also a civilian model.

2011 Storage on Victorinox electronic with drastic higher capacity. Slim, Slim Duo and Secure.

 

Victorinox 91mm logo/emblems

Logo emblem update

The basic information regarding the emblem/logo is the Victorinox cross and shield. One will always find variations and different applications. Regarding the 91mm Officiers line then the cross and shield was adopted in 1909 on the fiber scales. This was done to distinguish the products. In 1937 the Celluloid handles was introduced with a new emblem/logo. Cross and shield but with lines from the cross. There are variations on the dates and there are special models. The dates may vary some.

As far as I know the inlay with cross and shield with lines is used today as well. From 1980 the inlay material became a stainless steel. Before that the material was a nickel silver type. There are variations on the emblems/logo from the beginning and differences in size.

 

 

Emblem update

Pictures and information regarding the emblems used on Victorinox knives can be found on the internet. The Carl Elsener 1903 catalogue does show “Offiziers und Sportmesser” with cross and shield. In the Victorinox evolution and history it is mentioned from their 1909 date:

“In order to distinguish it from copies, the company founder decides to use the cross and shield, the current Victorinox emblem, on all pocket knives from then on”

My impression of this is that the emblem had been used before for some applications and that the    “from now on” explains that.

I have in my milestones 2 page in Norwegian language and I have put in different facts there. It is my impression that the problem with copies and fakes almost immediately became a problem. It is my impressions from research and such that it had to be done. Also interesting is the introduction of fiber scales. My information is that the fiber material was used on the Officiers models from 1897-1937. Also remember that the 1909 evolution mention “ the current Victorinox emblem” This is not completely true but just in general.

 

 

Cross and shield update

There are some important facts to remember and have in mind with the use of emblems. In the research you will discover that Swiss property and inventions are protected.

The 1908 and 1909 milestones do have a few facts that are important at least for my impressions. I may be wrong but for sure the time window or place in history may be influenced by this:

From 1908 Victorinox and Wenger with the compromise split the contact for the Swiss Army. The story is that it was in 1908 the Swiss Army really first decided to buy the Soldier knives and the reason for splitting the contact was not to have any favoritism.  The founder Karl Elsener had done a great performance from the beginning and that this could had an influence on why the cross and shield time window of 1909 is there. In the 1984 book it is mentioned that the reason for using the cross and shield was to make them more easy to be identified as a Swiss Product and because of the problem with fakes. It was also a silver jubilee in 1909.

 

Time windows

There are some more interesting details and it is my fully impression that things going on with the Soldiers knives influence the Officiers line.

We all know that Victorinox is the origin and The Founder Karl Elsener also invented the Officiers knife in 1897 or patented it.

The Story with Wenger and the Soldier knife is today more clearly, however the Officiers and sportsmen knives dates are more unclear. Some information suggests that such knives were made around 1905 and up. It would be very interesting to learn or discover more on this because it can have great importance. I was told one place that Wenger had to wait for the patent time to go out. This is very thin information and too little to build on. For sure the gentleman’s agreement contains a competition and hence the rivalry. It is my impression like mentioned that the Soldier knives very much influence the Officiers and sportsmen knives.

 

Crimper tool on pliers

 

I believe the crimper tool on the Victorinox plier on the right came in around 1994. It is mentioned 1995 in the evolution and i believe this date to be correct too. We know the typical evolution is many times from now on and perhaps it is so here as well. There are different applications and categories.

Pliers time windows update

 

I know it can be confusing with the evolution on the 91mm knives sometimes. The SwissChamp with the pliers was from my information introduced in 1985. In the 1986 milestone we have the introduction of the pliers in 1986. I do not know why the pliers is not 1985 that i would believe are more correct. I would guess it is maybe the from now on again and that from 1986 the pliers are part of the 91mm Officers line. So 1985-1986 would be the most correct. The small plier used on the 91mm and other categories got variants and an evolution from 1985 until today.

Hidden rivets update

 

There are more to the hidden rivet story and i will explain some of my research. I knew from knives that hidden rivets was used before 1961. Old Victorinox documentation show hidden rivet knives with the old awl in the late 1950s. To be safe so far i have put the date for hidden rivets in the second half of 1950s. I would believe the 1957-1961 to be the best. I would also like to mention that the 91mm Evolution dates from Victorinox are very well made and when you find dates from them then these are the best possible. I believe this is because of from now on philosophy. So when Victorinox say 1961 hidden rivets or invisible rivets in their Company publications then these are the best usually. Open rivets can be found after 1961 and on different applications until today. So visible rivets did not end on some applications. There is a story on the method of attaching the scales as well.

fine screwdriver update 1975 (so far)

1884 January first, Karl Elsener openes a buisness.

1891 First contract to deliver Solidier knives to the Swiss Army.

1897 June 12th official registration for the elegant Officiers knife, developed by the founder.

1902 New models that now got woodsaw, scissors, nickelsilver tweezers, toothpick and bail.

1909 Metal inlay cross on red fiber scales.

1923 Stainless steel available.

1931 Crossbow symbol on blades.

1937 Cellidor scales replace fiber.

1939 Crossbow emblem replaced with cross.

1942 New screwdriver with cap opener.

1946 New patented can opener(used today by Wenger)

1951 New improved can opener  with small screwdriver tip, aluminium dividers replace nickelsilver.New flat screwdriver with cap opener and cable stripper/bender.

1951 Flat screwdriver with cap opener change side.

1952 Square Phillips screwdriver in the corkscrew place, long nailfile with cleaner, metal saw, fish shell scraper and hook disgorger.

1957 Tweezer with aluminium head/holder.

1961 New reamer awl with cutting edge, hidden rivets.

1968 Bail get officially replaced with keyring.

1973 Magnifier and phillips screwdriver, small blade without clip.

1975 Fine screwdriver backside tool, this type pre the 1985 type.

1978  Tweezer get plastic head/holder

1980 Inlay made of stainless and not nickelsilver, round phillips(up until this date its been forged)

1982 Combination tool on 84mm knives.

1983 Patented mini screwdriver.

1985 ball point pen, fine screwdriver, chisel, reamer with sewing eye. Flat screwdriver with cap opener can be used from 90 degrees.

1986 Plier with wire cutters and combination tool on 91mm knives.

1987 Camoflage scales

1990 Swiss Watch in the scale

1991 Multi purpose hook and needle, corkscrew replaced with solid model.

1991 Key ring attached on spring.

1992 Golfer blade, solid round phillips.

1994 Matt nylon scales. Corkscrew without decoration groove.

1995 Cable crimper tool on plier.

1998 Carl Elsener and Giaritta Franco inventors of CyberTool.

1999 Bit key and holder

1999 Translucent scales.

1999 3 month modified keyring attachment on spring, improved 90 degree flat screwdriver with notch to prevent accidental closing.

2000 Altimeter electronics, long files removed from catalogues.

2000 New attaching for keyring on spring or modified for todays modern.

2001 Voyager, small tweezer and new scales.

2002 Patent application show LED module.

2003 Glowing scales, last year for tweezer with metal holder.

2004 New plastic magnifier.

2005 Travel electronics, metal file made of stainless. new blade stampings.

2008 New Soldier knife- 111mm with two component scales. Improved blade and locking mechanism.

2010 New Soldier knife for the Dutch army. Special function beltcutter with lock. Also a civilian model.

2011 Storage on Victorinox electronic with drastic higher capacity. Slim, Slim Duo and Secure.

1973 metalfile shape and 1975 fish scaler ruler update

"I might just as well update the metalfile and ruler as well, this list is what i believe are from then on. I am sure there are variations outside the dates" I will let this list stand, good luck!

 

1884 January first, Karl Elsener openes a buisness.

1891 First contract to deliver Solidier knives to the Swiss Army.

1897 June 12th official registration for the elegant Officiers knife, developed by the founder.

1902 New models that now got woodsaw, scissors, nickelsilver tweezers, toothpick and bail.

1909 Metal inlay cross on red fiber scales.

1923 Stainless steel available.

1931 Crossbow symbol on blades.

1937 Cellidor scales replace fiber.

1939 Crossbow emblem replaced with cross.

1942 New screwdriver with cap opener.

1946 New patented can opener(used today by Wenger)

1951 New improved can opener  with small screwdriver tip, aluminium dividers replace nickelsilver.New flat screwdriver with cap opener and cable stripper/bender.

1951 Flat screwdriver with cap opener change side.

1952 Square Phillips screwdriver in the corkscrew place, long nailfile with cleaner, metal saw, fish shell scraper and hook disgorger.

1957 Tweezer with aluminium head/holder.

1961 New reamer awl with cutting edge, hidden rivets.

1968 Bail get officially replaced with keyring.

1973 Magnifier and phillips screwdriver, small blade without clip.

1973 New shape metalfile tip(nail cleaner) (in general or average)

1975 Fine screwdriver backside tool, this type pre the 1985 type.

1975 Ruler on the fish scaler with hook disgorger

1978  Tweezer get plastic head/holder

1980 Inlay made of stainless and not nickelsilver, round phillips(up until this date its been forged)

1982 Combination tool on 84mm knives.

1983 Patented mini screwdriver.

1985 ball point pen, fine screwdriver, chisel, reamer with sewing eye. Flat screwdriver with cap opener can be used from 90 degrees.

1986 Plier with wire cutters and combination tool on 91mm knives.

1987 Camoflage scales

1990 Swiss Watch in the scale

1991 Multi purpose hook and needle, corkscrew replaced with solid model.

1991 Key ring attached on spring.

1992 Golfer blade, solid round phillips.

1994 Matt nylon scales. Corkscrew without decoration groove.

1995 Cable crimper tool on plier.

1998 Carl Elsener and Giaritta Franco inventors of CyberTool.

1999 Bit key and holder

1999 Translucent scales.

1999 3 month modified keyring attachment on spring, improved 90 degree flat screwdriver with notch to prevent accidental closing.

2000 Altimeter electronics, long files removed from catalogues.

2000 New attaching for keyring on spring or modified for todays modern.

2001 Voyager, small tweezer and new scales.

2002 Patent application show LED module.

2003 Glowing scales, last year for tweezer with metal holder.

2004 New plastic magnifier.

2005 Travel electronics, metal file made of stainless. new blade stampings.

2008 New Soldier knife- 111mm with two component scales. Improved blade and locking mechanism.

2010 New Soldier knife for the Dutch army. Special function beltcutter with lock. Also a civilian model.

2011 Storage on Victorinox electronic with drastic higher capacity. Slim, Slim Duo and Secure

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Trond | Svar 12.02.2015 17.40

Lol, i had a suspicion, it could be Celluloid or custom material Vic made knives for them at this time. The best i can say is 1946 made, one or two year margin

Albert | Svar 12.02.2015 17.36

That website was not on the blade naturally It has the saw, that is still razor sharp. Weighs approx 130 grams.

Albert | Svar 12.02.2015 17.30

Schoder from Thun (CH) http://www.messer-schoder.ch/ I sent them a message. Do you know what the scales are made of? Brown stuff, coud be horn or something?

Trond | Svar 12.02.2015 17.25

The knife got advertising on that is cool. Victorinox had tang stamps as well at this time for different Companies or engravings on the blade!

Trond | Svar 12.02.2015 17.22

Thanks! It is a stamp used from 1943 yes, i would believe Your knife to be mid-1940s Or 1946

Albert | Svar 12.02.2015 16.59

More research: it's branded INOXYD across the crossbow on the blade, this is a 'logo' used from 1943. The Swiss shop engraved on the blade still exist too.

Trond | Svar 12.02.2015 16.53

Feel fell free to send me pictures of the knife as well and i can post them. Pics of functions, tang stamps and emblem will confirm age. BR

Trond | Svar 12.02.2015 16.00

Hi Albert
Thanks alot! It is a big possibility that Your knife is from 1946-1950 yes. BR

Albert | Svar 12.02.2015 15.19

Hi, great website! I have an old Victornox with the "Wenger" can opener, does this really mean it's from before 1951 ? ( that would be awesome)

Trond | Svar 26.12.2014 14.02

Here small information on the logo/emblem

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